[Gakkuken]

Thanks for the nice TS-559 Pro+ review! I currently happy with my TS-439 Pro, but I'm itching to get a 5-bay dual-core model for faster overall speed. To be honest, I was even tempted to buy a TS-809 just for the fast cpu (junk the celeron, in favor of dual-core E6500), but the overall $ invested probably won't justify purchase a new power efficient TS-559 pro+ in the end.

Since you guys also have a TS-439, do you see a big speed difference between the two?

thanks!
rod

[chconline]

Welcome to APH

Well the deal is both NAS boxes comes down to the same SATA controller and network adapters. This means that single disk performance is going to be similar, but if you are doing resource intensive setups like RAID 5, then the TS-559 Pro+ is definitely going to be the better choice. This is especially true when you are using a more demanding environment with multiple clients establishing simultaneous connections.

[Gakkuken]

oh yea, forgot to mention, I had 4x 1TB WD black in my TS-439, and will be using 5x 1.5TB WD Black for TS-559 pro+.
I think I'm getting more and more itch about buying the 559 pro+ now, thanks!

[chconline]

Sounds like a good upgrade to me, especially if you need extra storage. The QNAP TS-659 Pro+ should deliver similar performance with an extra drive bay if you ever want to expand capacity. I'd stick with RAID 6 for better redundancy over RAID 5 though.

Just curious, how goes your RAID setup with non-TLER drives?

[shc-boomer]

Welcome to APH!
That seems to be a great buy, definitely worth the cost to upgrade to your desired build.

[Gakkuken]

chconline, on 04 October 2010 - 08:38 PM, said:

Sounds like a good upgrade to me, especially if you need extra storage. The QNAP TS-659 Pro+ should deliver similar performance with an extra drive bay if you ever want to expand capacity. I'd stick with RAID 6 for better redundancy over RAID 5 though.

Just curious, how goes your RAID setup with non-TLER drives?

those WD black hdd are non-TLER drives?

on my current TS-439, I didn't do anything with these WD 1TB Black drives, and they have been running fine for over a year now. Is there any special setting I should do with the WD 1.5TB Black drives?

(yeah, pulled the trigger last night on 5x WD 1.5TB Black, and QNAP TS-559 PRO+.... ~$1560 gone)

[TL6MT]

Welcome to APH Gakkuken -

WD black are not TLER enabled drives - only the Raid Edition drives are - but they're essentially the same thing just crippled firmware. There's nothing you can do about it but as the chc talked about in his recent review -

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Many sophisticated users will be quick to point out that using consumer drives, such as the trio of Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB hard disks as shown in the photo above, may be dropped out of a RAID array unexpectedly down the road, because it is not TLER enabled. TLER stands for 'Time Limited Error Recovery', which is Western Digital's name for a feature that limits a hard drive's error recovery time to seven seconds (Seagate calls it ERC; Samsung and Hitachi calls it CCTL). According to Western Digital, consumer hard drives may enter deep recovery mode, and could take up to two minutes to deal with a bad sector. During this time, the hard drive will not respond. Because of this, RAID controllers may mark the drive as unreliable, because it has failed to respond within a set period of time. Older Western Digital consumer drives can have TLER enabled using the WDTLER.EXE utility; unfortunately it no longer works on the latest models and revisions.

If you need hard disks that are guaranteed to play well in a RAID environment, enterprise grade or RAID edition drives are available from each respective drive manufacturer. This is where the problem comes in: Such products are usually two to three times the price of comparable consumer drives with the same capacity! Can the huge price difference be justified just for the SOHO user to get some data redundancy working with their small network file server?

For most users, the answer is 'no'. TLER and related RAID array configuration problems as aforementioned are more crucial with demanding business environments than a SOHO NAS setup. As far as your QNAP file server is concerned, the way RAID is implemented differs from dedicated hardware RAID controllers; Linux software RAID is much more lenient with consumer drives. Seagate and Western Digital lists possible usage of their consumer drives in consumer RAID environments on their website -- ie. software RAID -- and this is no different. QNAP claims that products contained in their hard drive compatibility list found on their website include RAID testing; both Western Digital's Caviar Green EARS and Blue EALS drives are found on there, and I have experienced no problems with either running in RAID 5 in my TS-559 Pro+. Additionally, many users have reported running non-TLER enabled drives in software RAID environments for extended periods of time with no problems at all. And to be honest, if your drive spends so much time dealing with bad sectors, chances are that you should put one through RMA anyway, haha. This is not to say that enterprise or RAID edition drives are completely unjustified, but unless you are in a more mission critical environment dependent on higher quality drives with longer warranties than their consumer counterpart, consumer drives offer significantly better bang for your buck. It would still be excellent if QNAP would offer user configurable drive timeout limit for the NAS, however.

Money well spent though - I too have a TS-439 Pro and itching to upgrade - let us know how it goes when your stuff comes in!

[Big Bang]

Welcome to APH Gakkuken, good to see you stick around That's quite a Performance and Storage Beast you have there - what are you doing with all that Power and Space?

[Gakkuken]

TL6MT, on 05 October 2010 - 02:11 PM, said:

Welcome to APH Gakkuken -

Money well spent though - I too have a TS-439 Pro and itching to upgrade - let us know how it goes when your stuff comes in!

will do, thanks TL!!

Big Bang, on 05 October 2010 - 02:17 PM, said:

Welcome to APH Gakkuken, good to see you stick around That's quite a Performance and Storage Beast you have there - what are you doing with all that Power and Space?

since i'm down to ~500GB of space on my current 3TB raid 5 setup, starting to feel a bit insecure about my lack of space. and you know, just like upgrade a pc... new toy keeps coming out, and once you started looking, its just a matter of time before you pull the trigger on upgrading.

I think I'll always consider the performance a bit off, ever since I'm hooked on SSD.... technology... what can you do...hehehe

[Gakkuken]

anyone know if I upgrade to 2gb of ram, am I going to void my warranty?

This post has been edited by Gakkuken: 05 October 2010 - 05:02 PM

[chconline]

http://aphnetworks.c..._559_pro_plus/2

That's 1GB of DDR2 SODIMM. QNAP's OS is fairly efficient though, so monitor the RAM consumption to see if it is necessary down the road.

[Gakkuken]

chconline, on 05 October 2010 - 05:01 PM, said:

http://aphnetworks.c..._559_pro_plus/2

That's 1GB of DDR2 SODIMM. QNAP's OS is fairly efficient though, so monitor the RAM consumption to see if it is necessary down the road.

chc, thanks for the fast response. is the stick pc2-5300 or pc2-6400? just wondering, since my jetway nettop (d525 dual 1.8ghz) is capable and running 800mhz ddr2.

thanks!

[chconline]

Same processor/chipset, so it doesn't matter. PC2-5300 would offer better value for your money, since PC2-6400 would offer no performance gain.

http://www.newegg.co...1-147-_-Product
http://www.newegg.co...1-155-_-Product

It's a dollar difference, so I guess it does not really matter.

[TL6MT]

Gakkuken, on 05 October 2010 - 04:59 PM, said:

anyone know if I upgrade to 2gb of ram, am I going to void my warranty?

Yes - all QNAPs have warranty seals like in chc's review.

[chconline]

That is correct. If you need to upgrade the RAM, you must remove the outer shell. This requires you to break the warranty seal, so there is no way to upgrade the RAM without voiding your warranty seal.